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Peter Diamandis - MEGA X Prizes

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The Origin of the Moon and Earth many billions of years ago.

You should do a x-prize to award some money for anyone who will provide a successful scientific challenge to the enigma of the Origin of the Moon and Earth during the Age of the Early Solar System, many billions of years ago. But the problem with offering a x-prize for a scientific solution is that you'll have to also host a scientific conference to judge the hypothesis and/or scientific model. And it would place the x-prize in direct competition with Robin Canup the executive director of the Boulder office/planetary science directorate, space science and engineering division. Her page is at www.boulder.swri.edu./~robin/
If you do put some money in this x-prize I will be able to win it. note further reading includes a book titled "The Big Splat: or the Origin of the Moon and Earth" by Dana MacKenzie.

time machine

I don't think a scientific discussion about
the origin of Earth and the moon, will fundamental change the way we live.

But building a time machine which can go back and record the event might.

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nevermind

This is a waste of my time. maybe the world isn't worthy or ready or whatever...sorry to interrupt your stupid war machine contest.

Some money

Speaking of "fundamental change the way we live", dont you think that if a scientific debate and conference and award does provide a successful and scientific challenge to the enigma, then that will negate the supposed "need to go back to the moon" in the form of a multi-billion tax-dollar funded human south pole lunar colony to no-where? Or provide Astronomers with the celestial mechanics that are needed to pin-point the correct solar systems by narrowing down the Drake equation?
Scientist's and the general public have had for 30+ years all the results and findings from the Nasa lunar rock and core samples. What difference is one more core sample going to make in Robin Canup's model?
I don't need anymore samples than what's already available. From what i've read the expectation of proof will require some type of "super computer simulation" program, and the Book of Nature of course.
This enigma of our lunar and earth origin is over 400 years old, ben franklin even had an opinion on the subject. What better way to start off this new century than by closing out this one stubborn enigma.
So to recap:
1. Save the tax-payers billions by negating a unnecessary lunar colony and probable space race/space war.
2. Narrow the Drake equation further more.
3. Put to good use the Lunar samples that we already have.
4. Finally give scientists and students and the general public a reason to believe that Science(the Scientific Method) can provide the answer to this enigma.
5. Give Geo-astronomers the definitive standard with which to judge solar nebulae.
6. Get payed so I can fund my long list of invention/re-invention ideas.
So how much money is the solution to a 400+ year old enigma worth to you?
Would you like to see a lunar rover mission that actually gets recognized as a meaningful symbol of the promise of enlightened reason that awaits us during this century?
What better way to gain respect for the private aerospace sector than getting private funding for a new debate and conference and award that challenges anew the tired reasonings that have built up in the models of both the present and previous generations of planetary researchers?
Let me know.

Nice idea

Can yoiu get the money for it?
Would big prizes have changed marconi or the wright brothers?

I wouldn't bother with a lunar base - too easy.
Nor a mars trip - that too could be done by an adventurer. A mars colony - good.

Ideas I think would be awesome:
Energy to matter ala Star trek replicators.
Teleportation of solid structured matter.
Of course FTL propulsion.
Anti and artificial gravity - definately worth the research as we seem to have ability to manipulate this force at all right now.
Asteroid mining would open up so much possibility.
And dont forget the space elevator!

cmon... mars prize!

FTL would be cool using entanglement, matter from energy- similar... but the mars one, definitely my favorite. colonization probably a little extreme but still. awesome. or asteroid mining, probably more useful. or heck a moon base, someone might actually be able to do that one.

My thoughts

Hi Peter.

I have also been thinking a lot about how to make the xprize possible for
solution which is believed to be impossible.

Here is some of my thoughts concerning the problem.

1) Increasing prizes

The problem with some of this "advance technologies"
is not that they is impossible but just that most people is ignorant about them.

So, how does one ensure that a mega xprize on 1B$ isn't won
the next day by someone who already know how to do it?

I think the best way to do ensure this is starting with a small prize and then doubling it every year.
So, that the easy prizes is won while they still is low,
but that the reward for difficult prizes still increase rapidly.

So, 1st year the prize would be something like 100000$, 2ed year 200000$,
3rd year 400000$ and so on.

2) Mega xprice fund.
A old saying goes: Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

We wouldn't like to reserve a lot of money for one specific prize.

Because the specific prize might not have a solution.

So, instead of funding a specific prize contributors should contribute to the
mega xprize fund and those who contribute more than 1M$ (or another amount) should be able to suggest a specific prize. (it might also be a good idea to allow past winners to suggest a prize)

3) Monthly paid out of prizes.

If the full amount of several prizes is payed out at the same time.
It might create cash problems for the fund.

So, prizes money should be paid out as monthly payment over 10 years.

For this purpose you might want report the prize amount in weight of gold instead of dollar to protect against devaluation an inflation.

4) two different ways to win.

One of the rules of the xprize is no help from the government.

But those who have the right idea to solve those problems might
be students or researchers working for the government, and it would be natural
for them to obtain funding there.

So, I would like to propose two ways to win a mega xprize.

The academic way and the business way.

The academic way allow teams to obtain all the government funding and help they can get,
but they must place there solutions in the public domain and publish there solutions on the xprize website in such a way that other can reproduce them.
They are therefor not allowed to prevent others from reproducing them by obtain patents or similar.

The business way does not allow government funding or help, but it allow the team to keep the solution as a business secret or obtain a patent.

Finally

I truly believe that things we see in star-trek and star-gate is possible.
Things like: anti gravity, teleportation and FLT communication seems already to be solved. See ex. http://www.scribd.com/groups/view/223-extreme-physics

Things like: force fields, warp/hyper drives, holodeck, cloaking and replicators still need to be developed as far as I know .

I hope to see the mega xprize very soon.

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Mega Prize: one suggestion on how to do it.

The genius of the X-Prize was observing that the cost to capture the public imagination via a race for a prize can be ridiculously small.

I do however think there is room for a Mega prize because big or small, the most important thing is that the challenge capture the public's imagination. The Apollo space program was expensive but probably captured the largest share of worldwide imagination ever.

I do take note of the "proven technology" comments by FNauta, however. How about this: address a problem the world needs to solve and offer a prize for a serious business plan that solves it. Before offering such a prize you take the idea for the plan to venture capitalists and get a commitment to fund the first plan that meets their criteria. They name the criteria. Thus you could effectively offer a $200 million prize with other peoples' money. Plans which come to mind: create an electric car company (or division) that can realistically manufacture an electric car with a range of 150 miles and could be produced for $10,000. Or how about a business plan for a solar power plant that breaks the coal price-per-kilowatt barrier. Or perhaps a prize for the first process capable of producing a cable from nanotubes. You get the idea. Ideas that have been around but whose great leap forward is in the demonstration that they are actually possible.

And then we get to see them take the capital and go do it.

Cheers, Mike Farr

Interesting

The idea is good, but be careful to not go too-beyond fantasy.
Despite in 1870 society thought that flying could be magic.. I imagine that the scientific community was realistic enough to understand that it wasn't pure fantasy.

My impression is that today in each scientific field we have potential breakthroughs which are well beyond belief given our current understanding, but are not considered total magic...

Some ideas of non-total magic goals could be, in my mind:

having superconductors in ordinary devices at room temperature

understanding and countering ageing in human beings

inventing a "fast" way to individually clone human organs

implementing strong artificial intelligence
(or even less ambitious, like creating a real-time automatic language-translator)

inventing a system that "read thoughts" and allows telephathy

providing an excpetional low-cost, low-impact energy concentrator (i.e. little battery to power a computer for a year)

Anyway, as a young researcher, I appreciate A LOT the mission and the ispirations fueled by your foundation..

Davide
(PhD student in physics)

Mega X Prize: Probably not a good idea

dear Peter Diamandris,

As a subscriber to the Stanford Entrepreneurial Thought Leaders podcast I heard your remarkable story of how the X Prize-project came about. Your first prize, of $10 million, was for the first private team to build and launch a spacecraft capable of carrying three people to 100 kilometers above the earth's surface, twice within two weeks. I especially liked the fact that the X in your projects name was to be filled later on with the name of a great benefactor which you never found, and how you smartly leveraged your capital via an insurance.

As I looked on your blog I noticed the video about the idea for a Mega X Prize. I've thought about it for a while, and my conclusion is that it's not a good idea. Here's why. You are extremely effective on things that have been proven possible but where big corporation don't dear to go (yet). What you leverage with (relatively) small money is amazing and my suggestion is you stick to that. The Mega X Prize can't have that leverage, because it will be small money compared to the system that you're trying to influence: scientific research (mostly funded by governments), R&D by big companies and business angels and VC-capital for startups in new fields.

The X Prize isn't so great because it does something in a direct way about the first two: scientific research and R&D by big companies. It's great because it takes proven concepts (hey, we proved that it's possible to go to the moon; hey, in the 1980 Greenpeace created a fuel efficient car out of the Renault Twingo!) and show that it's possible to bring those concept in the consumer market. The Spirit of St Louise was not the first plane, it was 24 years after the Wright brothers. The flight proved an application of a great innovation, it wasn't a great innovation in itself. To illustrate the point of

So what it is that X Prize actually leverages? As I said, you are extremely effective on things that have been proven possible but where big corporation don't go. So why don't they go there (yet)? Well, the reason is because they are very well managed. Good management means: listen to your customers, make products that create even more added value and working productively with your partners (sounds familiar maybe, it's Christensens' Innovators Dilemma). The customers of Boeing don't asks for a plane that can fly to the moon and customers up until 2007 didn't ask for fuel efficient cars. Even if they did, it's absolutely not clear that there is money to be made at this moment. To illustrate this point: none of the big car makers is participating in your new Progressive Automotive X Prize. There's more to be said on this, but you get the point: good management prevents wild adventures.

Still, change happens. But breakthrough innovations almost always come from outsiders. The airline industry was not created by the big ocean steamline companies, Apple came up with the iPhone as a total outsider and a cottage industry for dead cheap PC's almost killed Big Blue, the company that practically invented the computer.

Let's take a closer look at the advent of the PC. In 1975 two Steves set up Apple Computers Inc. They started as a cottage industry, in the garage of Steve Jobs' parents. They were not alone, there were many companies like Apple, hundreds of them. What these companies did wasn't rocket science, all the knowledge was there already for decades. The PC basically was a really cheap box filled with really cheap, standard parts that could easily be assembled. Most of those companies died of, some struggled, some really made it bigtime. The big companies only entered the game when the cottage industry had proven that there actually was a market for something they considered to be an inferior product. It took the number one computer producer in the world, IBM, many years to create it's own PC. Not because it didn't have the knowledge, but because it's engineers didn't think of it as 'real' computer. When IBM finally introduced it's PC it came without it's own operating system. That was because the company didn't believe they would sell enough PC's to get a reasonable return on it's investment if it also would build a special OS. So it asked Bill Gates to deliver an OS and that is how Microsoft started it's path to become the worst modern time, government supported monopoly. It nearly killed IBM.

So the role of the X Prize in my humble opinion: it's a catalyst for cottage industries that apply new but proven knowledge and new but proven technology in a field where there's no proven market but where many people suspect and hope that there could be a market. By kickstarting the cottage industry you create a showcase for this and that attracts investors. The first investors are the inspired ones, like the way Paul Allen funded the winner of the first X Prize. After that come the bold & the beautiful, like Richard Branson and his Virgin Galactic, and hopefully also the boring dealmakers that see a healthy market. Once the new cottage industry starts growing into a real market will the big companies follow. The X Prize gives idealists inside big corporations and within government the arguments to start spending money. At that point, the X Prize will start to have a serieus impact on the R&D of companies and subsequently on the research at universities.

A Mega X Prize wouldn't change your ways to have impact, simply because your budget will be tiny compared to the system you're leveraging. A bigger X Prize doesn't make the effect of the leverage bigger. The cottage industry is run by idealistic and visionary entrepreneurs, not by gamblers. They are not in it for the money, they use the prize to convince the worried spouses and friends that working on their big dream might actually pay off one day.

Hopefully this helps in shaping your thoughts. In the mean time, please continue your wonderful work. I've posted this comment as an article on the ExcellentGovernment.org blog.

Sounds cool

I have only amateur knowledge of research and development, but the concept of MEGA X Prizes sounds very appealing to me.

The impact of producing technology meeting the criteria for winning such a prize would be far-reaching enough that many parties would be interested in 'chipping in' for the prize sum.

The greatest challenge, of course, will be to identify what is impossible and perhaps nearly unthinkable today that have a realistic chance of being possible tomorrow.

Some ideas off the top of my head include: exotic propulsion systems (extremely high speeds per energy input), instantaneous communication across big distances (relying e.g. on quantum entanglement), extremely high-performance computer processors, commercial manned flights to the Moon and beyond, anti-gravity technology and contact with extra-terrestrial beings.

Some prizes of this magnitude, for things such as manned flights to the Moon, will raise ethical questions due to the high-risk experiments they may incite. On the other hand, market demand for these achievements already exist - an X Prize only 'pools' this demand and make it more visible and tangible.

Finally, the MEGA X Prize may potentially help fill a big void in what you could call 'private basic research'. Today, research into fundamental principles of fields such as physics and astronomy is almost exclusively carried out by governments due to the fact that the knowledge produced by such basic research can not be directly applied in any particular market. Furthermore, the work of researchers employed by the government is motivated mainly by the prospect of academic acclaim.

Imagine what we could achieve if significant discoveries in basic research was subject to significant monetary rewards, just as their applied research counterparts. Imagine how fundamental science would develop if it was driven by same factors that gave us the technology we have today.

MEGA X Prizes could effectively bridge the long-standing gap between commercial research interests and the research interests of humanity at large.

MEGA X Prizes for International Space Station 2.0

Dear Mr Peter
Greetings accross Seven sea from India. Thank you very much for the out of box thinking and creating xprize, which is one of your interest.

Proposing the Xprize for Design , Development and implimentation of "Interntional space Station 2.0 to share the load with ISS. This endevour will be the next step for the space colony to moon base to the mars etc...

This is going to be inbetween steps from Earth to moon to mars and for building space colony.

Grand Challenge
Design, Development, Implementation of ISS2.0 on the orbit defined and prososed be able to dock the space craft, fueling facility, R and D facility, lauching facility, assembling facility.

Lets take a Step............Million Miles will follow us..........

Bipin B Agravat
Candidature ISU' MSM"

good idea

this is a wonderful idea. the x prize's have so far shown that people are willing to make the investment in solving real world problems, why not set our sights as far ahead as possible. star trek is a great place to start, i say we set our sights on a replicator.

Yes, I agree with you, idea

Yes, I agree with you, idea is great. so